Monday, October 13, 2008

About the bracelets


From The Wall web site:

The first bracelets were made by a Carol Bates, who now works for the Defense POW-Missing Persons Office. The bracelets come in various finishes and on each bracelet is engraved, at a minimum, the name, rank, service, loss date, and country of loss of a missing man from the Vietnam War. Here is Carol's article on the origin of the bracelets.

History of the POW/MIA Bracelet
By Carol Bates Brown
In recent months, several individuals have contacted me looking for information on the origin of the POW/MIA bracelets worn during the early 1970s. The following is offered for those interested in learning the history of the bracelet phenomena.

I was the National Chairman of the POW/MIA Bracelet Campaign for VIVA (Voices In Vital America), the Los Angeles based student organization that produced and distributed the bracelets during the Vietnam War. Entertainers Bob Hope and Martha Raye served with me as honorary co-chairmen.

The idea for the bracelets was started by a fellow college student, Kay Hunter, and me, as a way to remember American prisoners of war suffering in captivity in Southeast Asia. In late 1969 television personality Bob Dornan (who several years later was elected to the US Congress) introduced us and several other members of VIVA to three wives of missing pilots. They thought our student group could assist them in drawing public attention to the prisoners and missing in Vietnam. The idea of circulating petitions and letters to Hanoi demanding humane treatment for the POWs was appealing, as we were looking for ways college students could become involved in positive programs to support US soldiers without becoming embroiled in the controversy of the war itself. The relatives of the men were beginning to organize locally, but the National League of POW/MIA Families had yet to be formed.

During that time Bob Dornan wore a bracelet he had obtained in Vietnam from hill tribesmen, which he said always reminded him of the suffering the war had brought to so many. We wanted to get similar bracelets to wear to remember US POWs, so rather naively, we tried to figure out a way to go to Vietnam. Since no one wanted to fund two sorority-girl types on a tour to Vietnam during the height of the war, and our parents were livid at the idea, we gave up and Kay Hunter began to check out ways to make bracelets. Soon other activities drew her attention and she dropped out of VIVA, leaving me, another student Steve Frank, and our adult advisor, Gloria Coppin, to pursue the POW/MIA awareness program. The major problem was that VIVA had no money to make bracelets, although our advisor was able to find a small shop in Santa Monica that did engraving on silver used to decorate horses. The owner agreed to make 10 sample bracelets. I can remember us sitting around in Gloria Coppin's kitchen with the engraver on the telephone, as we tried to figure out what we would put on the bracelets.

This is why they carried only name, rank and date of loss, since we didn't have time to think of anything else.

Armed with the sample bracelets, we set out to find someone who would donate money to make bracelets for distribution to college students. It had not yet occurred to us that adults would want to wear the things, as they weren't very attractive. Several approaches to Ross Perot were rebuffed, to include a proposal that he loan us $10,000 at 10% interest. We even visited Howard Hughes' senior aides in Las Vegas. They were sympathetic but not willing to help fund our project. Finally in the late summer of 1970, Gloria Coppin's husband donated enough brass and copper to make 1,200 bracelets. The Santa Monica engraver agreed to make them and we could pay him from any proceeds we might realize.

Although the initial bracelets were going to cost about 75 cents to make, we were unsure about how much we should ask people to donate to receive a bracelet. In 1970, a student admission to the local movie theater was $2.50. We decided this seemed like a fair price to ask from a student for one of the nickel-plated bracelets. We also made copper ones for adults who believed they helped their "tennis elbow." Again, according to our logic adults could pay more, so we would request $3.00 for the copper bracelets.

At the suggestion of local POW/MIA relatives, we attended the National League of Families annual meeting in Washington, DC in late September. We were amazed at the interest of the wives and parents in having their man's name put on bracelets and in obtaining them for distribution. Bob Dornan, who was always a champion of the POW/MIAs and their families, continued to publicize the issue on his Los Angeles television talk show and promoted the bracelets.

On Veterans Day, November 11, 1970, we officially kicked off the bracelet program with a news conference at the Universal Sheraton Hotel. Public response quickly grew and we eventually got to the point we were receiving over 12,000 requests a day. This also brought money in to pay for brochures, bumper stickers, buttons, advertising and whatever else we could do to publicize the POW/MIA issue. We formed a close alliance with the relatives of missing men -- they got bracelets from us on consignment and could keep some of the money they raised to fund their local organizations. We also tried to furnish these groups with all the stickers and other literature they could give away.

While Steve Frank and I ended up dropping out of college to work for VIVA full time to administer the bracelet and other POW/MIA programs, none of us got rich off the bracelets. VIVA's adult advisory group, headed by Gloria Coppin, was adamant that we would not have a highly paid professional staff. As I recall the highest salary was $15,000, a year and we were able to keep administrative costs to less that 20 percent of income.

In all, VIVA distributed nearly five million bracelets and raised enough money to produce untold millions of bumper stickers, buttons, brochures, matchbooks, newspaper ads, etc., to draw attention to the missing men. In 1976, VIVA closed its doors. By then the American public was tired of hearing about Vietnam and showed no interest in the POW/MIA issue.

For Information on Returning a Bracelet
POW Network

For Information on purchasing a Bracelet
Memorial Bracelets

The Viet Nam Wall Tribute Page


Malcolm Kirby
mlkdrk@earthlink.net
USAF Veteran
Rest in Peace, my Brother
You will not be forgotten...
Feb 8, 2008


manny g
Fellow Veteran 69-70 An Khe
Union Gap, WA. 98903
“You are Remembered”
Peace and condolence, to the family and friends. "He which hath no stomach to this fight let him depart. But we in it shall be remembered. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers!! For he today, that sheds his blood with me, shall always be my brother”. Rest in peace brave soldier, you have not been forgotten. (W.Shakespeare) May God Bless You for your Sacrifice!!!

Feb 8, 2008


Bill Gallenstein
USAF Veteran
Zephyrhills FL 33541 USA
A very proud cold war USAF veteran remembers you on this day. My God bless you and your family always. I salute you, Thank you
Jul 27, 2007


Roy Spencer
Vietnam Veteran- C130 Pilot
He Gave All
Colonel Carl Frederick Karst was from Galatia, Kansas and was born on 27 October 1930. He was 43 and married when he was declared dead on 8 February 1974. Colonel Karst was a Snug Forward Air Controller assigned to the 21st Tactical Air Support Squadron at Nha Trang. He and Captain Nguyen X Quy VNAF were flying from Pleiku on a Visual Reconnaissance mission in O-1F S/N 57-2820 when they disappeared. A three-day search failed to find them. Colonel Karst was promoted while missing. Later a Vietnamese villager reported he had heard from an NVA Propaganda Team that the aircraft had been shot down by ground fire. Captain Quy had been killed and Colonel Karst had been captured then executed later in a village in northern Phu Bon Province. The story could not be verified. In 1983 a Vietnamese refugee turned in two bone fragments and Colonel Karst’s identity tag. In 1989 the Vietnamese turned over some remains that were identified as Colonel Karst’s which were buried in Arlington National Cemetery. His name is located at 39W 074 on the Vietnam Memorial.


Feb 8, 2007


Brian Emerson
brian.emerson3@verizon.net
I have his bracelot.
9681 Tarpon Drive Huntington Beach CA 92646 USA
Lt. Col, Carl Karst Bracelot
To the family of Lt. Col. Carl Karst. I have a bracelot which I received from my mother. If you would like it please contact my e-mail address at brian.emerson3@verizon.net Thank you, Brian Emerson
Sep 30, 2006


Michael De Palma
Vadermike@msn.com
I am the holder of the man's POW/MIA bracelet. If the family would like it returned, please email me. I have held this bracelet since grade school. thank you. Vadermike@msn.com
Thursday, February 25, 1999


Paul Cuttica
cutt4713@superior.net
I too have a POW bracelet with Lt. Col. Carl Karst's name on it. I have had it since my college days. The family is welcome to have it. E-mail cutt4713@superior.net
Tuesday, May 04, 1999


SAM LANGHOFER
slanghofer@cornejocorp.com
KARL IS A 2ND COUSIN TO MY BROTHER-
5928 E. 119TH ST. SO.
MULVANE, KS67110 USA
GOD BLESS YOU KARL
I'M A VIETNAM VET AND WORE KARLS BRACELET FOR 25 YEARS BEFORE RETURNING IT TO HIS BROTHER IN 1996 AFTER HEARING THE GOVERNMENT HAD RECOVED BONES THAT IDENTIFIED KARL.
Thursday, September 16, 2004


FAC Association
Remembering Our Lost Brother

Carl Karst Tribute - Forward Air Commander

Tribute page to Forward Air Controllers in Vietnam.


These Tributes are to recognize the sacrifice the 223 Forward Air Controllers who "gave their all" in the Vietnam War. They are made as personal as possible to let you know they were real people who put themselves in harms way to protect the South Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodian citizens from being forced to live under a communist regime caused by the invasion of their country by the forces of North Vietnam. They are also recognized for their devoted effort to protect ground forces when they came under attack by flying their aircraft low and slow over the battlefield to control the air strikes necessary to disrupt the enemy attacks. The listing has been laid out in alphabetical order but the capability to select any one grouping of the alphabet is built into the listing. Just select the letter of your choice and you will automatically go to the start of that group listing.

Or if you wish, you can CLICK HERE and review the names that were read during the Hurlburt Memorial Dedication by name / by year.

As you are reading these Tributes, if you were to "click on" the individuals name you will be taken to a graphic map showing the general area where the FAC "went down". No one should ever try to use this graphical display for anything other than a general understanding of where the fighting took place. There is also background music that was specifically selected for this file. If you choose to listen to this music while you read, just click on the music CD icon located in the lower right corner of your screen.

These tributes could not have been written without the through research done by Jim Meade and Bob Green and posted on the www.thewall-usa.com and www.virtualwall.org web sites and the massive book "Vietnam Air Losses" by Chris Hobson. This page was designed and built by Bob Gorman (Jake 44).

Carl Karst - Arlington Cemetery


From Arlington Cemetery


The symbol on the Wall next to Carl's name was changed from a cross (MIA) to a star (KIA) April 30, 1994. Remains were identified.

Name: Carl Frederick Karst
Rank/Branch: Colonel USAF
Unit:Pleiku, South Vietnam
Date of Birth: 27 October 1930
Home City of Record: Galatia Kansas
Loss Date: 16 November 1968
Country of Loss: South Vietnam
Status (in 1973): Missing In Action
Acft/Vehicle/Ground: O1F

Other Personnel In Incident: Captain Nguyen X. Quy (VNAF - missing)

Source: Compiled from one or more of the following: raw data from U.S.
Government agency sources, correspondence with POW/MIA families,
published sources, interviews. Updated by the P.O.W. NETWORK in 1998.

SYNOPSIS: On November 16, 1968, (then) Major Carl F. Karst, pilot, and Captain Nguyen X. Quy, VNAF observer, departed Pleiku in an O1F on a visual reconnais- sance mission over South Vietnam. At 1640 hours (4:40 p.m.), shortly after takeoff, Karst reported that his position was two nautical miles east of Plei- ku, and that he was proceeding with his mission. When subsequent attempts to raise Karst by radio failed, a search began. The search continued for three days without success. Karst was classified Missing in Action.

A few months later, a Vietnamese informer reported information given him by a NVA/VC propaganda team that Karst's aircraft was shot down by small arms fire and the Vietnamese observer was killed. The informer stated that Karst evaded to the south, but was captured and executed in a village in northern Phu Bon Province. The informant did not witness any of these events. The report was considered inaccurate because the a NVA/VC team was known for coloring stories to impress the local population, and because Karst was very knowledgeable of the location of Viet Cong and North Vietnamese units in the area. Those who knew Karst agreed that he would not have evaded to the south, but rather to the west where he knew he might reach friendly forces and safety.

In December 1983, a refugee turned over two bone fragments and a rubbing of a metal ID tag bearing Karst's name to U.S. officials in Malaysia. He stated that he had been given the remains and rubbing by a Buddhist monk in 1981. The refugee was told that the remains were among 7 American remains recovered at an unspecified location in the Central Highlands.

By 1984, U.S. officials had received a series of reports from eight separate sources reported information concerning the alleged remains and dog tags of Karst. Four provided information solely on Karst, while the other four sources related Karst's name to other Army personnel who had returned from Vietnam at the end of their tours.


From a contemporary news report:
Sunday, October 3, 1993

Twenty-five years after he disappeared in a plane crash in South Vietnam, Air Force Colonel Carl Karst was buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

Vietnamese officials turned over Col. Karst's remains in 1989, but they were not identified until last month by the Army's Central Identification Laboratory in Hawaii.

Colonel Karst was 38 when he was shot down while flying a Cessna O-1 "Bird Dog" reconnaissance plane on a mission November 16, 1968.

He was buried Friday with full honors and an Air Force flyover. He is survived by his wife, two sons and a daughter.


October 2, 1993

Arlington, Virginia -- With great dignity and poignancy, the nation paid its last respects Friday to Colonel Carl Karst, a moment delayed and denied for 25 years.

Karst, an Air Force colonel and a native of Barton County, Kansas, died in a plane crash in Vietnam in 1968. But two decades passed until his remains were returned to this country, were positively identified, and a burial was arranged.

On a golden autumn morning Friday at Arlington National Cemetery, the moment for that last salute finally arrived. Karst's wife and their three children now adults with children of their own watched as Karst's flag-draped casket was solemnly carried by horse-drawn caisson to be buried on American soil. Four US Air Force F-16 jets roared overhead in the Missing Man formation.

"Everyone, I think, was moved by the military ceremony, the flyover, the band; all of it together was just such a solemn and dignified way of bringing closure to a time that has been full of all kinds of emotions," said Ruth Nelson, Karst's widow who has since remarried.

Accompanying Karst's immediate family were relatives from throughout Kansas. Family friends. Old Air Force buddies. Newer friends from MIA groups. And an old neighbor from long ago, Bob Dole from nearby Russell, now a U.S. Senator. If the burial resurrected some pain, the greater feelings seemed to be those of gratitude. Finality. And peace.

"I know every family member feels very good about it," Dole said after the grave-side service.

To honor its fallen comrade, the Air Force proffered the special majesty and sounds of a full military burial at Arlington National Cemetery. The clip-clop of hooves from the team of horses. The hollow cadence of drums. The mournful strains of the Air Force Hymn. The crack of a 21-gun salute. The lonely call of "Taps." And then, silence, as the American flag was removed from the casket, folded crisply into a triangle and presented to the family. Military funerals have not greatly changed in the past 25 years, but feelings about Vietnam have. When Karst died 25 years ago, this country was bitterly divided about the costs and value of that war. And if some division remains, there is little dispute about the honor due the men and women who served their country in Vietnam, and for those who did not return.

"Regardless of the validity of the Vietnam War and we knew there was controversy the men who served in the war did so with honor and dedication," Nelson said. Karst's dedication is reflected in his military honors, including the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart. He was a 14-year Air Force veteran when his reconnaissance plane was shot down in 1968. He was officially listed as missing in action until 1974, when military authorities changed his legal status to killed in action. His body was returned by Vietnam in 1989, and a positive identification made this year.

Sunday, September 14, 2008

Carl Karst blog - the beginning

I want to honor the memory of my father with a blog abou his life. This is the start.